Machloket Leshem Shamayim

Think about the most recent conflict that you were involved with. What happened? Who was involved? How did it start?

Questions With Raised Hands

  1. My conflict was between peers.

  2. My conflict was between people who were not peers.

  3. The conflict I wrote about was between friends.

  4. At the end of engaging in the conflict, both sides were satisfied with the outcome.

  5. At the end of the conflict, both sides were unhappy.

  6. At the end of engaging in the conflict, one side was satisfied but the other side was still unhappy.

  7. This conflict has not yet ended.

  8. In my opinion, conflict is generally a bad thing.

  9. In my opinion, conflict can be a good thing.

(יז) כָּל מַחֲלוֹקֶת שֶׁהִיא לְשֵׁם שָׁמַיִם, סוֹפָהּ לְהִתְקַיֵּם. וְשֶׁאֵינָהּ לְשֵׁם שָׁמַיִם, אֵין סוֹפָהּ לְהִתְקַיֵּם. אֵיזוֹ הִיא מַחֲלוֹקֶת שֶׁהִיא לְשֵׁם שָׁמַיִם, זוֹ מַחֲלוֹקֶת הִלֵּל וְשַׁמַּאי. וְשֶׁאֵינָהּ לְשֵׁם שָׁמַיִם, זוֹ מַחֲלוֹקֶת קֹרַח וְכָל עֲדָתוֹ:

(17) Every argument that is [for the sake of] heaven's name, it is destined to endure. But if it is not [for the sake of] heaven's name -- it is not destined to endure. What [is an example of an argument for the sake of] heaven's name? The argument of Hillel and Shammai. What [is an example of an argument not for the sake of] heaven's name? The argument of Korach and all of his followers.

א"ר אבא אמר שמואל שלש שנים נחלקו ב"ש וב"ה הללו אומרים הלכה כמותנו והללו אומרים הלכה כמותנו יצאה בת קול ואמרה אלו ואלו דברי אלקים חיים הן והלכה כב"ה וכי מאחר שאלו ואלו דברי אלקים חיים מפני מה זכו ב"ה לקבוע הלכה כמותן מפני שנוחין ועלובין היו ושונין דבריהן ודברי ב"ש ולא עוד אלא שמקדימין דברי ב"ש לדבריהן.

Rabbi Abba said that Shmuel said: For three years Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel disagreed. These said: The halakha is in accordance with our opinion, and these said: The halakha is in accordance with our opinion. Ultimately, a Divine Voice emerged and proclaimed: Both these and those are the words of the living God. However, the halakha is in accordance with the opinion of Beit Hillel. The Gemara asks: Since both these and those are the words of the living God, why were Beit Hillel privileged to have the halakha established in accordance with their opinion? The reason is that they were agreeable and forbearing, showing restraint when affronted, and when they taught the halakha they would teach both their own statements and the statements of Beit Shammai. Moreover, when they formulated their teachings and cited a dispute, they prioritized the statements of Beit Shammai to their own statements, in deference to Beit Shammai.

בית שמאי מכשירין ובית הלל פוסלין אע"פ שאלו אוסרים ואלו מתירין אלו פוסלין ואלו מכשירין לא נמנעו בית שמאי מלישא נשים מבית הלל ולא בית הלל מבית שמאי כל הטהרות והטמאות שהיו אלו מטהרים ואלו מטמאין לא נמנעו עושין טהרות אלו על גבי אלו

Although Beit Hillel prohibit and Beit Shammai permit particulars of leverite marriage , and although these disqualify these women and those deem them fit, Beit Shammai did not refrain from marrying women from Beit Hillel, nor did Beit Hillel refrain from marrying women from Beit Shammai. Furthermore, with regard to all of the disputes concerning the laws of ritual purity and impurity, where these rule that an article is ritually pure and those rule it ritually impure, they did not refrain from handling ritually pure objects each with the other, as Beit Shammai and Beit Hillel frequently used each other’s vessels.

Leonard Bernstein April 6, 1962 Carnegie Hall

Don't be frightened. Mr. Gould is here. He will appear in a moment. I'm not, um, as you know, in the habit of speaking on any concert except the Thursday night previews, but a curious situation has arisen, which merits, I think, a word or two. You are about to hear a rather, shall we say, unorthodox performance of the Brahms D Minor Concerto, a performance distinctly different from any I've ever heard, or even dreamt of for that matter, in its remarkably broad tempi and its frequent departures from Brahms' dynamic indications. I cannot say I am in total agreement with Mr. Gould's conception and this raises the interesting question: "What am I doing conducting it?" I'm conducting it because Mr. Gould is so valid and serious an artist that I must take seriously anything he conceives in good faith and his conception is interesting enough so that I feel you should hear it, too.

But the age old question still remains: "In a concerto, who is the boss; the soloist or the conductor?" The answer is, of course, sometimes one, sometimes the other, depending on the people involved. But almost always, the two manage to get together by persuasion or charm or even threats to achieve a unified performance. I have only once before in my life had to submit to a soloist's wholly new and incompatible concept and that was the last time I accompanied Mr. Gould. But, but this time the discrepancies between our views are so great that I feel I must make this small disclaimer. Then why, to repeat the question, am I conducting it? Why do I not make a minor scandal — get a substitute soloist, or let an assistant conduct? Because I am fascinated, glad to have the chance for a new look at this much-played work; Because, what's more, there are moments in Mr. Gould's performance that emerge with astonishing freshness and conviction. Thirdly, because we can all learn something from this extraordinary artist, who is a thinking performer, and finally because there is in music what Dimitri Mitropoulos used to call "the sportive element", that factor of curiosity, adventure, experiment, and I can assure you that it has been an adventure this week collaborating with Mr. Gould on this Brahms concerto and it's in this spirit of adventure that we now present it to you.

Tosefta Sotah 7:12

Make for yourself a heart of many rooms, and enter into it the words of Beit Shammai and the words of Beit Hillel, the words of those who declare a matter impure, and those who declare it pure.

Marc-Alain Ouaknin, The Burnt Book, p.84

“The Talmud says of Talmudic discussions: “The words of one and the words of the other are the living words of God. This statement should be seen as conditional: If there are words of one and words of the other, then they are words of the living God, and as a result, are living words.” The role of the Mahloket is to undermine satisfaction, to undermine ‘knowledge where thought is always shown as true to type.’ ”

ליקוטי מוהר"ן תורה ס"ד

וְדַע, כִּי מַחֲלקֶת הִיא בְּחִינוֹת בְּרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם כִּי עִקַּר בְּרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם, עַל יְדֵי חָלָל הַפָּנוּי כַּנַּ"ל כִּי בְּלא זֶה הָיָה הַכּל אֵין סוֹף, וְלא הָיָה מָקוֹם לִבְרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם כַּנַּ"ל וְעַל כֵּן צִמְצֵם הָאוֹר לִצְדָדִין, וְנַעֲשָׂה חָלָל הַפָּנוּי וּבְתוֹכוֹ בָּרָא אֶת כָּל הַבְּרִיאָה, הַיְנוּ הַיָּמִים וְהַמִּדּוֹת, עַל יְדֵי הַדִּבּוּר כַּנַּ"ל "בִּדְבַר יקוק שָׁמַיִם נַעֲשׂוּ" וְכוּ'. וְכֵן הוּא בְּחִינַת הַמַּחֲלוֹקוֹת כִּי אִלּוּ הָיוּ כָּל הַתַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים אֶחָד לא הָיָה מָקוֹם לִבְרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם רַק עַל יְדֵי הַמַּחֲלקֶת שֶׁבֵּינֵיהֶם, וְהֵם נֶחֱלָקִים זֶה מִזֶּה וְכָל אֶחָד מוֹשֵׁך עַצְמוֹ לְצַד אַחֵר עַל יְדֵי זֶה נַעֲשֶׂה בֵּינֵיהֶם בְּחִינוֹת חָלָל הַפָּנוּי שֶׁהוּא בְּחִינוֹת צִמְצוּם הָאוֹר לִצְדָדִין, שֶׁבּוֹ הוּא בְּרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם עַל יְדֵי הַדִּבּוּר כַּנַּ"ל כִּי כָּל הַדְּבָרִים שֶׁכָּל אֶחָד מֵהֶם מְדַבֵּר הַכּל הֵם רַק בִּשְׁבִיל בְּרִיאַת הָעוֹלָם שֶׁנַּעֲשֶׂה עַל יָדָם בְּתוֹך הֶחָלָל הַפָּנוּי שֶׁבֵּינֵיהֶם כִּי הַתַּלְמִידֵי חֲכָמִים בּוֹרְאִים אֶת הַכּל עַל יְדֵי דִּבְרֵיהֶם "וְלֵאמר לְצִיּוֹן עַמִּי אַתָּה" 'אַל תִּקְרֵי עַמִּי אֶלָּא עִמִּי, מָה אֲנָא עֲבַדִי שְׁמַיָּא וְאַרְעָא בְּמִלּוּלִי אַף אַתֶּם כֵּן' .

Likutei Moharan I:64

Know this: that disagreement [machloket] is analogous to the creation of the world, which consisted of creating an empty space, as we have shown. For were it not so, everything would be infinitely divine [ein sof], and there would be no space left for the world. Therefore, He contracted the light to the sides, and an empty space was left in which the world could be created, with all its time and spatial dimensions, all done by the act of speech - as it is written: “By the word of God were the heavens made, etc.” [Psalms 33]. So too is the case with disagreement, for if all the scholars were united, there would be no creation of the world. It is only when there is disagreement between them, and they divide and each draws to one side, a space is created between them which is analogous to the empty space and the contraction of the lights, by the which the world itself was created by the act of speech, as we have shown. And all the arguments they each use are only in order to allow the world to be created by them [...] just as [God] created the heaven and the earth with words, so too can [scholars]!

Mikdash Melech to Zohar Parshas Bereishit 17b

In the time of the Messiah, we will follow the law according to Shammai. Hillel represents kindness and Shammai severity (hence the rulings of Beit Hillel are almost always more lenient). When the Messiah comes the advantage of the severity will be revealed and therefore the law will be in accordance with Beit Shammai. Beit Shammai comes from such a high level this present world is incapable of withstanding and only when Messiah comes will we be able to follow their opinion.

Rabbi Avraham Yitzchok Kook, Olat Ra-Ya, Vol. I., p.330

Rabbi Eleazar said in the name of Rabbi Chanina: Students of the sages (or Torah scholars) cause peace to increase in the world as is said in Isaiah: “All of your children will be learned of God, and great will be the peace of your children.”

There are those who err thinking that world peace will not be built except by means of one form in points of view and qualities. Therefore when they see students of Torah scholars inquiring into wisdom and the knowledge of Torah, and, by means of their searching, the perspectives and approaches multiply, they believe that they thus cause argument and the opposite of peace. Yet truthfully this is not so, for the true peace cannot come into the world except by means of the value of a peace of many faces. A peace of many faces means that all sides and approaches are seen; and it becomes clear how there is a place for them all, each one according to its worth, its place, and its content. And, on the contrary, all positions that appear superfluous or contradictory will be seen, once the truth of wisdom is revealed in all of her many-sidedness, for only by means of the coming together of all the parts and all of the details, and all of the views that seem different, and all of the divided branches, truly by their means the light of truth and righteousness will appear, [along with] the knowledge of God, His reverence and His love, and the light of the Torah of truth. Therefore Torah scholars increase peace, for just as they broaden, explicate, and give birth to new words of Torah, in [locating new] aspects out of different aspects in which there is multiplication and division of themes, in this they increase peace.

(ד) ואלו מן ההלכות שאמרו בעליית חנניה בן חזקיה בן גריון כשעלו לבקרו. נמנו ורבו בית שמאי על בית הלל, ושמונה עשר דברים גזרו בו ביום.

אֵילּוּ מֵהֲלָכוֹת שֶׁאָֽמְרוּ בַעֲלִײַת חֲנַנְיָה בֶן חִזְקִיָּה בֶן גָּרוֹן כְּשֶׁעָלוּ לְבַקְּרוֹ כול׳. אוֹתוֹ הַיּוֹם הָיָה קָשֶׁה לְיִשְׂרָאֵל כַּיּוֹם שֶׁנַּעֲשֶׂה בוֹ הָעֶגֶל... תַּנָּא רִבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ אוֹנָייָא. תַּלְמִידֵי בֵית שַׁמַּי עָֽמְדוּ לָהֶן מִלְּמַטָּה וְהָיוּ הוֹרְגִין בְּתַלְמִידֵי בֵית הִלֵּל.

(4) [On a certain day] in the attic of Hananiah ben Chizkiyah ben Guryon when [the rabbis]... called the roll and found that [members of] Beit Shammai outnumbered those of Beit Hillel, Beit Shammai decreed eighteen regulations on that day.

This day was hard for Israel like the day on which the Golden Calf was made.... Rebbi Joshua from Ono stated: The students of the House of Shammai were standing downstairs and killing the students of the House of Hillel. It was stated, six of them went up; the rest were standing around them with swords and lances. It was stated, eighteen things they decided, in eighteen they were a majority and in eighteen they were divided.