Shmini Atzeret and The Importance of Rain

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(א) מֵאֵימָתַי מַזְכִּירִין גְּבוּרוֹת גְּשָׁמִים. רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר אוֹמֵר, מִיּוֹם טוֹב הָרִאשׁוֹן שֶׁל חָג. רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ אוֹמֵר, מִיּוֹם טוֹב הָאַחֲרוֹן שֶׁל חָג. אָמַר לוֹ רַבִּי יְהוֹשֻׁעַ. הוֹאִיל וְאֵין הַגְּשָׁמִים אֶלָּא סִימַן קְלָלָה בֶּחָג, לָמָּה מַזְכִּיר. אָמַר לוֹ רַבִּי אֱלִיעֶזֶר, אַף אֲנִי לֹא אָמַרְתִּי לִשְׁאוֹל, אֶלָּא לְהַזְכִּיר מַשִּׁיב הָרוּחַ וּמוֹרִיד הַגֶּשֶׁם בְּעוֹנָתוֹ. אָמַר לוֹ, אִם כֵּן, לְעוֹלָם יְהֵא מַזְכִּיר:

(1) From when do we begin to mention the power of [bringing] rain [in the Shemoneh Esrai], Rabbi Eliezer says, from the first day of the festival [Sukkot]. Rabbi Yehoshua says, from the last day of the festival [Sukkot]. Rabbi Yehoshua said to him [Rabbi Eliezer], since rain on the festival is nothing but a sign of a curse why should he mention it? Rabbi Eliezer said to him: I also did not say to request [rain] but to make mention, “He causes the wind to blow and the rain to fall” in its due season. He replied to him: if so one should at all times make mention of it.

מאימתי מזכירין גבורות גשמים- From when do we mention G-d's power through rain?

הואיל ואין הגשמים אלא סימן קללה בחג- since rain is nothing but an unfavorable sign on a festival

בעונתו- in its season

Rough Translation:

When do we mention G-d's power through rain? Rabbi Eliezer says: from the first day of the holiday. Rabbi Yehoshua says: From the last day of the holiday. Rabbi Yehoshua said to him. Because rain is not a preferable sign on a holiday, why do we remember? Rabbi Eliezer said to him: I didn't say we need to ask for rain, We need to remember the thing that causes the powerful wind and the downpour of rain in its season. He said to him, If yes, the world is remembered.

Summary of the Mishna:

  • When do we mention G-d's power through rain?
  • Eliezer said we mention G-d's power on the first day of the holiday
  • Yehoshua said we mention G-d's power on the last day of the holiday
  • Eliezer said to him we need to remember the thing that causes the powerful wind and downpour of rain

(ד) הִגִּיעַ שִׁבְעָה עָשָׂר בְּמַרְחֶשְׁוָן וְלֹא יָרְדוּ גְשָׁמִים, הִתְחִילוּ הַיְחִידִים מִתְעַנִּין שָׁלשׁ תַּעֲנִיּוֹת. אוֹכְלִין וְשׁוֹתִין מִשֶּׁחֲשֵׁכָה, וּמֻתָּרִין בִּמְלָאכָה וּבִרְחִיצָה וּבְסִיכָה וּבִנְעִילַת הַסַּנְדָּל וּבְתַשְׁמִישׁ הַמִּטָּה:

(4) If the seventeenth of Mar-Cheshvan has come without the rain having yet descended, private individuals commence to keep three fast-days. On the night beforehand, they are allowed to eat and drink, and it is allowed [on the fast day itself] to work, to bathe, to anoint the body, to wear [leather] shoes, and to perform the marriage duty.

If the 17 of Cheshvan comes and there hasn't been rain yet, begin working

We fast for three days.

1. What do we do if rain has not fallen by the seventeenth of Mar-Cheshvan

2. What are we allowed to do, and what aren't we allowed to do?

3. What holiday(s) is this similar to? Why?

If we only ask for rain at certain times of the year, why do you think we mention it twice every day as part of the Shema?

מאימתי מזכירין גבורות גשמים- From when do we mention G-d's power through rain?

הואיל ואין הגשמים אלא סימן קללה בחג- since rain is nothing but an unfavorable sign on a festival

בעונתו- in its season