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Contradiction

Resolution to contradiction

Inference

Objection

מתני׳ בת ישראל לא תיילד את העובדת כוכבים מפני שמילדת בן לעבודת כוכבים, אבל עובדת כוכבים מילדת בת ישראל. בת ישראל לא תניק בנה של עובדת כוכבים, אבל עובדת כוכבי' מניקה בנה של ישראל ברשותה:

גמ׳ ת"ר בת ישראל לא תיילד את העובדת כוכבים מפני שמילדת בן לעבודת כוכבים.

ועובדת כוכבים לא תיילד את בת ישראל מפני שחשודין על שפיכות דמים, דברי רבי מאיר.

וחכמים אומרים: עובדת כוכבים מילדת את בת ישראל בזמן שאחרות עומדות על גבה, אבל לא בינה לבינה.

ור"מ אומר: אפי' אחרות עומדות על גבה נמי לא דזימנין דמנחא ליה ידא אפותא וקטלא ליה ולא מתחזי...

ורמינהו יהודית מילדת עובדת כוכבים בשכר, אבל לא בחנם.

אמר רב יוסף: בשכר שרי משום איבה. סבר רב יוסף למימר: אולודי עובדת כוכבים בשבתא בשכר שרי משום איבה. א"ל אביי: יכלה למימר לה דידן דמינטרי שבתא מחללינן עלייהו דידכו ,דלא מינטרי שבתא לא מחללינן.

סבר רב יוסף למימר: אנוקי בשכר שרי משום איבה.

אמר ליה אביי: יכלה למימר אי פנויה היא בעינא לאינסובי, אי אשת איש היא לא קא מזדהמנא באפי גברא.

סבר רב יוסף למימר: הא דתניא העובדי כוכבים ורועי בהמה דקה לא מעלין ולא מורידין אסוקי בשכר שרי משום איבה. אמר ליה אביי: יכול לומר לו קאי ברי אאיגרא, אי נמי נקיטא לי זימנא לבי דואר

MISHNA: A Jewish woman may not deliver the child of a gentile woman, because in doing so she is delivering a child who will engage in idol worship. But one may allow a gentile woman to deliver the child of a Jewish woman. Similarly, a Jewish woman may not nurse the child of a gentile woman, but one may allow a gentile woman to nurse the child of a Jewish woman while the gentile woman is on the Jewish woman’s property. GEMARA: The Gemara cites a dispute related to the ruling of the mishna. The Sages taught: A Jewish woman may not deliver the child of a gentile woman because in doing so she is delivering a child who will engage in idol worship. And one may not allow a gentile woman to deliver the child of a Jewish woman because gentiles are suspected of bloodshed; this is the statement of Rabbi Meir. And the Rabbis say: One may allow a gentile woman to deliver the child of a Jewish woman when other women are standing over her watching her actions, but not when they are alone together. And Rabbi Meir says: Even when other women are standing over her one may not allow a gentile woman to deliver the child of a Jewish woman, because there are times when the midwife places her hand on the infant’s temple and kills him by applying pressure to the area, and the act is not seen. The Gemara relates a story that validates this concern. This is like that incident involving a certain gentile woman who said to her fellow gentile: You are the midwife of Jewish women, the daughter of a midwife of Jewish women. This was meant as an insult. In response, the other gentile said to her: May as many evils befall that woman, i.e., you, as the number of Jewish infants that I have killed, as I extract blood from them like the foam [ufeya] of a river. This gentile midwife claimed to have caused the deaths of many Jewish children. The Gemara clarifies the opinion of the Rabbis: And the Rabbis, who are not concerned to the same extent as Rabbi Meir, would say to you: That is not so; it was merely through words that the gentile midwife was establishing herself. In other words, she was bragging in order to intimidate her antagonist, whereas in reality she did not kill any infants. § The mishna teaches that a Jewish woman may not nurse the child of a gentile woman. The Sages taught: A Jewish woman may not nurse the child of a gentile woman because in doing so she is effectively raising a child who will engage in idol worship. And one may not allow a gentile woman to nurse the child of a Jewish woman because she is suspected of bloodshed; this is the statement of Rabbi Meir. And the Rabbis say: One may allow a gentile woman to nurse the child of a Jewish woman when other women are standing over her, but not when the gentile woman is alone together with the child. And Rabbi Meir says: Even when other women are standing over her one may not allow a gentile woman to nurse the child, because there are times when she smears poison intended for him upon her breast when she is outside the house, and subsequently kills him with it while nursing. The Gemara remarks: And it is necessary for the dispute between Rabbi Meir and the Rabbis to be stated with regard to both the case of a midwife and that of a wet nurse. The reason is that if the tanna had taught us only the halakha of a midwife, one might assume that it is only in that case that the Rabbis said that it is permitted to allow the gentile to deliver a Jewish infant, because it is not possible for her to kill him, due to the fact that other women see her. But with regard to a wet nurse, as it is possible that she might smear poison upon her breast while she is still outside the house and then kill him with it, one might say that the Rabbis concede to Rabbi Meir that a gentile woman may not be allowed to nurse the son of a Jewish woman under any circumstances. And if the tanna had taught us only the halakha of a wet nurse, one might assume that it is only in that case that Rabbi Meir said that it is prohibited for a gentile to nurse a Jewish infant, due to the fact that she might smear poison upon her breast while outside the house and kill him with it. But with regard to a midwife, since it is not possible for her to kill him where other women are standing over her, one might say that Rabbi Meir concedes to the Rabbis. The Gemara concludes: It is therefore necessary for this dispute to be stated with regard to both cases. § Based on the above discussion, all agree that a Jewish woman may not deliver the child of a gentile woman.

And the Gemara raises a contradiction from a baraita: A Jewish woman may deliver the child of an Aramean woman in exchange for payment, but not for free. Rav Yosef said in response: It is permitted in exchange for payment due to the enmity that would be engendered if Jews refused to deliver gentile infants despite being offered money to do so. Rav Yosef thought to say: Delivering the child of a gentile woman on Shabbat in exchange for payment is permitted due to enmity. Abaye said to him: The concern of enmity does not apply here, because she can say to the gentile: With regard to our own women, who keep Shabbat, we desecrate Shabbat for them; with regard to your women, who do not keep Shabbat, we do not desecrate Shabbat for them. Rav Yosef also thought to say: Nursing the child of a gentile woman in exchange for payment is permitted due to enmity. Abaye said to him: The concern of enmity does not apply, because she can say, if she is unmarried: I wish to get married. And if she is a married woman, she may say: I do not wish to become repulsive to my husband. Since she can provide a reasonable excuse for refusing to nurse a gentile child, the concern of enmity does not apply. Rav Yosef thought to say a similar idea concerning that which is taught in a baraita: With regard to gentiles and shepherds of small domesticated animals, one may not raise them out of a pit and one may not lower them into a pit. Rav Yosef suggested that even so, it is permitted to raise them from the pit in exchange for payment, due to enmity. Abaye said to him: It is prohibited to raise a gentile from a pit even in exchange for payment, because one can say an excuse to him, such as: My son is standing on the roof and I must go use this ladder to help him down from the roof. Alternatively, he can say to him: A time has been appointed for me to appear in the courthouse [bei davar] and I must attend to this matter. Since the Jew can provide a legitimate excuse for refusing to aid the gentile, there is no need to extract him from the pit. Apropos the notion of raising someone from or lowering him into a pit, the Gemara notes that Rabbi Abbahu taught the following while standing before Rabbi Yoḥanan: With regard to gentiles and shepherds of domesticated animals, one may not raise them from a pit,

Vocabulary Words

putsדמנחא
temples (of head)אפותא
and killsוקטלא
seen מתחזי
hostility/hatredאיבה


that keepדמינטרי
I want to get marriedבעינא לאינסובי
look badמזדהמנא
roofאאיגרא
pull outנקיטא
for courtלבי דואר

These words have no function.

Guiding Questions

1. What is the subject of discussion in the Mishnah? Make a Mikreh, Din, Taam chart.

A: The subject of discussion is whether or not a Jewish midwife can deliver/nurse the baby of a woman who does Avodah Zara.

Mikreh: Implied.

Din: 1. A Jewish woman cannot deliver the baby of a woman who does Avodah Zara

2. A woman who does Avodah Zara can deliver the baby of a Jewish woman.

3. A Jewish woman cannot nurse the baby of a woman who does Avodah Zara

4. A woman who does Avodah Zara can nurse the baby of a Jewish woman.

Taam: 1. Because she would be giving life to a baby that would worship Avodah Zara.

2. How does Rabbi Meir contradict the Mishnah? What is his reasoning?

A: He contradicts the Mishnah by saying that actually, a woman who does Avodah Zara cannot deliver the baby of a Jewish woman because of Shpichut Damim.

3. How do the Chachamim respond?

A: They say that the Avodah Zara worshipper can deliver the baby as long as people are watching.

4. How does Rabbi Meir justify his own contradiction?

A: His reason is that she might place her hands on the baby's head and kill him, and no one would see.

5. What is the contradiction?

A: The contradiction is that in the Mishnah it says a Jewish woman cannot deliver the baby of an Avodah Zara worshipper, but now it is being proposed that she could do it for a price, but not for free.

6. What is Rav Yosef's resolution?

A: He says she can do it for a price in order to prevent hostility/hatred from other nations.

7. What inference does the Stama Degamara make about Rav Yosef's opinion?

A: The Jewish woman can even deliver the baby on Shabbas for a price, because of hostility.

8. What is Abayeh's objection?

A: She could say if she does not want to deliver the baby, that she only breaks Shabbas for people who keep Shabbas (fellow Jews).

9. What is the next inference that the Stama Degamara makes?

A: A Jewish woman can nurse the baby of an Avodah Zara worshipper for a price because of hostility.

10. What is Abayeh's next objection?

A: She could say if she does not want to nurse the baby, that she wants to get married (and nursing would make her look unattractive), but if she is married she could say that she does not want to look bad in front of her husband.

11. What is the last inference?

A: An Avodah Zara worshipper or a shepherd of small cattle cannot be lifted or lowered into a pit except for a price because of hostility.

12. What is the last objection?

A: He could say if he does not want to lift or lower that his son is on the roof or he has a time he needs to go to court.

13. Do you think a Jewish woman should or should not have to deliver the baby of an Avodah Zara worshipper?

A: We think that a Jewish woman should be encouraged to deliver the baby of an Avodah Zara worshipper because although from an ethical standpoint she may be bringing someone who will worship false gods into existence, from a moral standpoint she must know that she can't control others. Bringing life into the world is a mitzvah, and the baby cannot be at fault for what his/her parents do.

14. Similar to our studies regarding the principle of "Mipnei Tikkun Haolam," the Gemara highlights here the principle of "Mishum Evah." According to this Gemara, how would you define Evah and what does it include?

A: According to this Gemara, Evah could potentially be referring to some sort of anti-Semitism. We think this because the situation is between a Jew and a non-Jew, and a refusal to deliver or nurse the baby of a non-Jew from a Jew could lead to a generalization about Jews being unkind and unhelpful.

15. Do you think "Evah" is a good enough reason for why a Jew should deliver or nurse the baby of a non-Jew? Why or why not? Explain.

A: We think that for some things Evah is a good reason for a Jew doing something; however, in this case if a woman has an ethical issue with delivering or nursing the baby of a non-Jew and she does not care about potential hostility, then it should be up to her. On the other hand, it could be a good enough reason because the hostility would affect all Jews and their reputation and name.