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הני מילי לחומרא אבל לקולא לא

The Gemara answers: This matter, the presumption that an agent performs his agency, applies only when its application leads to stringency, as there is a concern that the agent performed his agency. However, when its application leads to leniency, no, the presumption does not apply.

וליהמנה לדידה מדרב המנונא דאמר רב המנונא האשה שאמרה לבעלה גירשתני נאמנת חזקה אין האשה מעיזה פניה בפני בעלה

The Gemara asks: But let one deem the wife herself credible, based on the statement of Rav Hamnuna, as Rav Hamnuna says: A woman who said to her husband: You divorced me, is deemed credible, as there is a presumption that a woman would not be insolent in the presence of her husband and lie.

ה"מ היכא דליכא דקא מסייע לה אבל היכא דמסייע לה מעיזה ומעיזה:

The Gemara answers: This matter applies only in a case where there is no factor that supports her claim, as the presumption is that she would not be so insolent as to tell a lie that has no basis. However, in a case where there is a factor that supports her claim, as in this case both the husband and the third party claim that the husband sent a bill of divorce, she would indeed be insolent. Therefore, her claim that she was divorced is accepted only if she can produce the bill of divorce.

מתני׳ נערה המאורסה היא ואביה מקבלין את גיטה אמר רבי יהודה אין שתי ידים זוכות כאחת אלא אביה מקבל את גיטה בלבד וכל שאינה יכולה לשמור את גיטה אינה יכולה להתגרש:

MISHNA: With regard to a betrothed young woman, she and her father are each eligible to receive her bill of divorce, and the divorce takes effect at the moment that either of them receives the bill of divorce. Rabbi Yehuda said: Two hands do not have the right to acquire an item on behalf of one person as one. Rather, her father alone receives her bill of divorce on her behalf. And there is another principle: Any female who is unable to safeguard her bill of divorce is unable to be divorced.

גמ׳ במאי קמיפלגי רבנן סברי ידא יתירתא זכי לה רחמנא ורבי יהודה סבר במקום אביה יד דילה לאו כלום היא:

GEMARA: The Gemara asks: With regard to what do the Rabbis, who stated the unattributed first opinion in the mishna, and Rabbi Yehuda disagree? The Rabbis hold: The Merciful One grants the betrothed young woman an additional hand, beyond the hand of her father, who can receive the bill of divorce on her behalf. And Rabbi Yehuda holds: In a place, i.e., situation, where her father is alive, her hand is nothing and she is ineligible to receive her bill of divorce.

וכל שאינה יכולה לשמור את גיטה: ת"ר קטנה היודעת לשמור את גיטה מתגרשת ושאינה יודעת לשמור את גיטה אינה מתגרשת ואיזו היא קטנה יודעת לשמור את גיטה כל שמשמרת גיטה ודבר אחר

The mishna teaches: And any woman who is unable to safeguard her bill of divorce is unable to be divorced. The Sages taught: A minor girl who knows how to safeguard her bill of divorce can be divorced, and one who does not know how to safeguard her bill of divorce cannot be divorced. And which is the minor girl who knows how to safeguard her bill of divorce? It is any minor girl who safeguards her bill of divorce and something else.

מאי קאמר א"ר יוחנן ה"ק כל שמשמרת דבר אחר מחמת גיטה

The Gemara asks: What is the tanna saying in the statement: Who safeguards her bill of divorce and something else? Rabbi Yoḥanan says that this is what he is saying: Any minor who safeguards something else due to her bill of divorce, i.e., she lost her bill of divorce itself but she guards something else that she mistook for her bill of divorce.

מתקיף לה רב הונא בר מנוח הא שוטה בעלמא היא אלא אמר רב הונא בר מנוח משמיה דרב אחא בריה דרב איקא כל שמבחנת בין גיטה לדבר אחר

Rav Huna bar Manoaḥ objects to this: That minor girl is merely an imbecile, as she keeps something else in lieu of her bill of divorce. Rather, Rav Huna bar Manoaḥ says in the name of Rav Aḥa, son of Rav Ika: The reference is to any girl who distinguishes between her bill of divorce and something else, and safeguards her bill of divorce and does not safeguard less significant items.

אמר רב יהודה אמר רבי אסי צרור וזורקו אגוז ונוטלו זוכה לעצמו ואין זוכה לאחרים חפץ ומחזירו לאחר שעה זוכה בין לעצמו ובין לאחרים

Apropos minors, Rav Yehuda says that Rabbi Asi says: If one gives a child a pebble and he throws it away and one gives him a nut and he takes it, he is capable of distinguishing between items of value and worthless items, and he acquires property for himself but does not acquire property on behalf of others. If the child develops to the extent that he is given an item and he returns it to its owners later, because he understands the concept of ownership, he acquires property both for himself and on behalf of others.

כי אמריתה קמיה דשמואל אמר לי דא ודא אחת היא מאי דא ודא אחת היא אמר רב חסדא אחד זה ואחד זה זוכה לעצמו ואין זוכה לאחרים

Rav Yehuda continued. When I stated Rabbi Asi’s ruling before Shmuel he said to me: This and that are one. The Gemara asks: What is the meaning of: This and that are one? Rav Ḥisda says: With regard to both this child and that child, each acquires property for himself but does not acquire property on behalf of others, and there is no distinction in this regard between the developmental stages of a minor.

מתיב רב חיננא וורדאן כיצד משתתפין במבוי מניח את החבית ואומר הרי זו לכל בני המבוי ומזכה להם ע"י בנו ובתו הגדולים וע"י עבדו ושפחתו העברים

Rav Ḥinnana of Vardania raises an objection based on what was taught in a mishna (Eiruvin 79b): How does one merge the courtyards that open into the alleyway on behalf of all the residents of the alleyway? He places a barrel filled with his wine and says: This is for all the residents of the alleyway. And he may confer possession of the wine to the other residents of the alleyway by means of his adult son or daughter, or by means of his Hebrew slave or maidservant.

האי שפחה היכי דמי אי דאתיא שתי שערות מאי בעיא גביה אלא לאו דלא אתיא שתי שערות וקתני זוכה לאחרים

The Gemara asks: What are the circumstances of this maidservant? If she developed two pubic hairs, indicating that she reached majority, what is she doing with the owner of the barrel? A Hebrew maidservant is emancipated when she reaches puberty. Rather, is the reference here not to a case where she did not yet develop two pubic hairs, and she is a minor, and it is taught that she can acquire on behalf of others? Apparently, a minor can acquire property on behalf of other people.

שאני שיתופי מבואות דרבנן

The Gemara rejects this proof: The merging of alleyways is different, as it is an ordinance by rabbinic law. The Sages ruled leniently with regard to this rabbinic ordinance and allowed a minor to acquire property on behalf of others.

אמר רב חסדא אישתיק וורדאן מאי הוה ליה למימר כל דתקון רבנן

Rav Ḥisda said: Rav Ḥinnana of Vardonia was silent and had no response. The Gemara asks: What could he have said in response? The Gemara answers that he could have responded: All ordinances that the Sages instituted,