Bava Batra 167bבבא בתרא קס״ז ב
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167bקס״ז ב
1 א

כותבין שטר ללוה אע"פ שאין מלוה עמו ואין כותבין למלוה עד שיהא לוה עמו והלוה נותן שכר

A scribe may write a promissory note for a debtor who requests one, even if the creditor is not with him when he requests the document, but a scribe may not write a promissory note for a creditor who requests it unless the debtor is with him and consents. And it is the debtor who gives the scribe his wages.

2 ב

כותבין שטר למוכר אע"פ שאין לוקח עמו ואין כותבין ללוקח עד שיהא מוכר עמו והלוקח נותן שכר

A scribe may write a bill of sale for a seller of a field who requests one even if the purchaser is not with him when he presents his request, but a scribe may not write a bill of sale for a purchaser who requests it unless the seller is with him and consents. And it is the purchaser who gives the scribe his wages.

3 ג

אין כותבין שטרי אירוסין ונשואין אלא מדעת שניהם והחתן נותן שכר

A scribe may not write documents of betrothal and documents of marriage except with the consent of both parties, the groom and the bride. And it is the groom who gives the scribe his wages.

4 ד

אין כותבין שטר אריסות וקבלנות אלא מדעת שניהם והמקבל נותן שכר

A scribe may not write contracts for sharecroppers and contractors except with the consent of both parties, i.e., the sharecropper or contractor and the one who hires him. And it is the sharecropper or contractor who gives the scribe his wages.

5 ה

אין כותבין שטרי בירורין וכל מעשה ב"ד אלא מדעת שניהם ושניהם נותנין שכר רשב"ג אומר לשניהם כותבין שנים לזה לעצמו ולזה לעצמו:

A scribe may not write documents testifying to arbitration agreements or any other court enactment except with the consent of both parties to the litigation. And both parties give the scribe his wages. Rabban Shimon ben Gamliel says: The scribe writes two documents for the two parties, one for this one by himself, and one for that one by himself.

6 ו

גמ׳ מאי ובלבד שיהא מכירן אמר רב יהודה אמר רב ובלבד שיהא מכיר שם האיש בגט ושם האשה בשובר

GEMARA: What is meant by: Provided that the scribe recognizes the parties requesting the document? Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: It means provided that he recognizes the man’s name in the case of the bill of divorce and the woman’s name in the case of the receipt.

7 ז

יתיב רב ספרא ורב אחא בר הונא ורב הונא בר חיננא ויתיב אביי גבייהו ויתבי וקמיבעיא להו שם האיש בגט אין שם האשה לא שם האשה בשובר אין שם האיש לא

The Gemara relates: Rav Safra and Rav Aḥa bar Huna and Rav Huna bar Ḥinnana were sitting, and Abaye was sitting near them. And as they were sitting, they raised a dilemma: Did Rav mean that with regard to the man’s name in the case of bill of divorce bill, yes, it must be known to the scribe, but the woman’s name need not be known to the scribe? And did he mean that with regard to the woman’s name in the case of the receipt, yes, it must be known to the scribe, but the man’s name need not be known to the scribe?

8 ח

וליחוש דלמא כתב גיטא ואזיל וממטי ליה לאיתתיה דהיאך

But if so, let there be a concern that perhaps the man who made the request writes the bill of divorce and intends to go and give it to the wife of another man with the same name.

9 ט

וזמנין אזלא כתבה אשה שובר ויהבה לגברא דלאו דילה

And similarly, in the case of the receipt let there be a concern that there will be times when the woman writes the receipt and intends to give it to a man who is not her husband, whose wife shares her name.

10 י

אמר להו אביי הכי אמר רב שם האיש בגט והוא הדין לשם האשה שם האשה בשובר והוא הדין לשם האיש

Abaye said to them: You are not understanding Rav’s statement correctly. This is what Rav says: The man’s name in the case of the bill of divorce must be known to the scribe, and the same is true of the woman’s name, which must also be known to the scribe. And the woman’s name in the case of the receipt must be known to the scribe, and the same is true of the man’s name, which must also be known to the scribe.

11 יא

וליחוש לשני יוסף בן שמעון הדרים בעיר אחת דלמא כתיב גיטא ואזיל וממטי ליה לאיתתיה דהיאך אמר להו רב אחא בר הונא הכי אמר רב שני יוסף בן שמעון הדרים בעיר אחת אין מגרשין נשותיהן אלא זה בפני זה

They continued their line of questioning: And even if both names are known to the scribe, let there be a concern for the possibility of two men with the same name, such as two men named Yosef ben Shimon, who live in one city and whose wives share the same name as well, and perhaps the man who made the request will write the bill of divorce and intend to go and give it to the wife of the other man who bears the same name as him. Rav Aḥa bar Huna said to them in reply that this is what Rav says: If there are two men named Yosef ben Shimon who live in one city and are married to women who share the same name, they may divorce their wives only in the presence of one another.

12 יב

וליחוש דלמא אזיל למתא אחריתא ומחזיק ליה לשמיה ביוסף בן שמעון וכתיב גיטא וממטי ליה לאיתתיה דהיאך

They continued to ask: But even if the scribe knows the man’s name and the name of the man’s wife, let there be a concern that perhaps someone will go to another city and establish a false name for himself as Yosef ben Shimon, and he will write the bill of divorce and give it to the wife of the other man, whose name really is Yosef ben Shimon.

13 יג

אמר להו רב הונא בר חיננא הכי אמר רב כל שהוחזק שמו בעיר שלשים יום אין חוששין לו

Rav Huna bar Ḥinnana said to them that this is what Rav says: With regard to anyone whose name has been established in a city for thirty days, there is no concern harbored about him that his name is false. It is assumed that this is his true name.

14 יד

לא איתחזק מאי אמר אביי דקרו ליה ועני רב זביד אמר רמאה ברמאותיה זהיר

They continued to ask: What if his name has not been established for thirty days? How can a newcomer in a town have a bill of divorce drawn up for him? Abaye said: It is sufficient that people call him by the name he claims for himself and he responds to that call. Rav Zevid said: A liar is careful about upholding his lies, and just because he responds to being called by a particular name does not prove he is telling the truth. A newcomer would therefore have to wait thirty days before requesting that a scribe write him a bill of divorce.

15 טו

ההוא תברא דהוה חתים עלה רב ירמיה בר אבא אתיא לקמיה ההיא איתתא אמרה ליה לאו אנא הואי אמר אנא נמי אמרי להו לאו איהי היא ואמרו לי מיקש הוא דקשא לה ובגר לה קלא

§ There was a certain receipt of payment of a marriage contract upon which Rav Yirmeya bar Abba was signed as a witness. That woman, whose name matched the name on the receipt, came before Rav Yirmeya, seeking to collect payment of her marriage contract. Rav Yirmeya recognized her name, but not her appearance. The woman said to him: It was not I whose name was on the receipt that you signed, but another woman with the same name; I have not collected payment of my marriage contract. Rav Yirmeya said: I, too, said to the other witnesses signed on the document: The woman for whom we signed the receipt is not she. But they said to me: It is in fact the same woman, but she has aged and her voice has matured and changed, and that is why you do not recognize her.

16 טז

אמר אביי אע"ג דאמור רבנן

Abaye said that although the Sages said: