Shabbat 154bשבת קנ״ד ב
The William Davidson Talmudתלמוד מהדורת ויליאם דוידסון
Save "Shabbat 154b"
Toggle Reader Menu Display Settings
154bקנ״ד ב
1 א

וַאֲפִילּוּ לְמַאן דְּאָמַר לוֹקִין, לִיכְתּוֹב רַחֲמָנָא ״לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה כׇל מְלָאכָה וּבְהֶמְתֶּךָ״, ״אַתָּה״ לְמָה לִי? הוּא נִיהוּ דְּמִיחַיַּיב, בִּבְהֶמְתּוֹ לָא מִיחַיַּיב.

And even according to the one who said that one is flogged for violating a prohibition that was given as a warning of court-imposed capital punishment, the halakha with regard to driving a laden animal can be derived by means of an inference from the language of the verse. Let the Torah write: “You shall not perform any manner of labor…and neither shall your animal.” Why do I need the superfluous word you in the phrase: You and your animal? Rather it is to teach that it is he himself who is liable for performing a prohibited labor on Shabbat; however, for a prohibited labor performed by his animal, he is not liable.

2 ב

הִגִּיעַ לֶחָצֵר הַחִיצוֹנָה. אָמַר רַב הוּנָא: הָיְתָה בְּהֶמְתּוֹ טְעוּנָה כְּלֵי זְכוּכִית, מֵבִיא כָּרִים וּכְסָתוֹת וּמַנִּיחַ תַּחְתֶּיהָ, וּמַתִּיר הַחֲבָלִים וְהַשַּׂקִּין נוֹפְלִים.

We learned in the mishna: Once he reached the outer courtyard, he may untie the ropes that attach his bags to the donkey, and the bags of vessels that may not be moved on Shabbat fall on their own. Rav Huna said: If one’s animal was laden with glass vessels, which would break if he let them fall to the ground, he may bring cushions and blankets and place them beneath the animal and untie the ropes and let the bags fall onto the cushions.

3 ג

וְהָאֲנַן תְּנַן: נוֹטֵל אֶת הַכֵּלִים הַנִּיטָּלִין בְּשַׁבָּת?

The Gemara asks: Why is it necessary to unload glass vessels in so complicated a manner? Didn’t we learn in the mishna: He takes the vessels that may be moved on Shabbat off the donkey? As glass vessels fall into that category, why not simply remove the glass vessels and then untie the bags?

4 ד

כִּי קָאָמַר רַב הוּנָא, בְּקַרְנֵי דְאוּמָּנָא, דְּלָא חַזְיָא לֵיהּ. וְהָא קָא מְבַטֵּל כְּלִי מֵהֵיכֵנוֹ! בִּשְׁלִיפֵי זוּטְרֵי.

The Gemara answers: When Rav Huna stated this halakha, he was referring to the horns of a blood letter, which are not suitable for any other purpose and are therefore set-aside on Shabbat due to prohibition and repulsiveness. The Gemara asks: Isn’t he thereby negating a vessel’s preparedness? Initially, the cushion was available for any use. Since it now has the set-aside vessels on it, the cushion, too, may no longer be moved. The Sages ruled that one may not place a vessel in a circumstance that will render it prohibited to move. The Gemara answers: This mishna is referring to small bundles of glass vessels that will not break if the cushions are subsequently removed from beneath them.

5 ה

מֵיתִיבִי: הָיְתָה בְּהֶמְתּוֹ טְעוּנָה טֶבֶל וַעֲשָׁשִׁיּוֹת — מַתִּיר אֶת הַחֲבָלִים וְהַשַּׂקִּין נוֹפְלִין, וְאַף עַל פִּי שֶׁמִּשְׁתַּבְּרִין. הָתָם בְּכוּלְסָא. דַּיְקָא נָמֵי, דְּקָתָנֵי דּוּמְיָא דְּטֶבֶל. מָה טֶבֶל — דְּלָא חֲזֵי לֵיהּ, אַף הָכָא נָמֵי לָא חֲזֵי לֵיהּ.

The Gemara raises an objection based on that which was taught in a baraita: If one’s animal was laden with untithed produce and chunks of glass [ashashiot], one unties the ropes and the bags fall on their own, even though they break. Apparently, placing cushions beneath the animal is prohibited. The Gemara answers: There, the baraita is not referring to vessels but rather to chunks [kulsa] of glass that are designated to be broken so that they can be melted and crafted into vessels. The Gemara adds: The language of the baraita is also precise, as it teaches that chunks are similar to untithed produce: Just as untithed produce is not fit for his use, here too, the chunks are also not fit for his use.

6 ו

וּמַאי ״אַף עַל פִּי שֶׁמִּשְׁתַּבְּרִין״ — מַהוּ דְּתֵימָא לְהֶפְסֵד מוּעָט נָמֵי חָשְׁשׁוּ, קָא מַשְׁמַע לַן.

The Gemara explains: And what is the meaning of the phrase: Even though they break? If the mishna is indeed referring to chunks of glass, they are designated to be broken. Rather, lest you say that the Sages were also concerned about a minimal loss, as certainly some small slivers of glass will be lost when the chunks fall and break, the tanna in the baraita teaches us that the Sages did not consider minimal loss a reason significant enough to permit carrying the prohibited glass.

7 ז

תַּנְיָא, רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן יוֹחַי אוֹמֵר: הָיְתָה בְּהֶמְתּוֹ טְעוּנָה שְׁלִיף שֶׁל תְּבוּאָה — מַנִּיחַ רֹאשׁוֹ תַּחְתֶּיהָ, וּמְסַלְּקוֹ לְצַד אַחֵר, וְהוּא נוֹפֵל מֵאֵלָיו.

It was taught in a baraita that Rabbi Shimon ben Yoḥai says: If one’s animal was loaded with a burden of untithed grain, he may place his head beneath the pile and move it to a different side of the animal, and it falls by itself. The Sages prohibited moving set-aside objects in the typical manner, but there is no concern about doing so in an unusual manner.

8 ח

חֲמוֹרוֹ שֶׁל רַבָּן גַּמְלִיאֵל הָיְתָה טְעוּנָה דְּבַשׁ וְלֹא רָצָה לְפוֹרְקָהּ עַד מוֹצָאֵי שַׁבָּת, לְמוֹצָאֵי שַׁבָּת מֵתָה. וְהָאֲנַן תְּנַן נוֹטֵל כֵּלִים הַנִּיטָּלִין? כְּשֶׁהִדְבִּישׁ. הִדְבִּישׁ לְמַאי חֲזֵי? לִכְתִיתָא דְגַמְלֵי.

The Gemara relates: Rabban Gamliel’s donkey was laden with honey and he did not want to unload the donkey until the conclusion of Shabbat. At the conclusion of Shabbat, the donkey died of fatigue. The Gemara asks: Didn’t we learn in the mishna: He takes the vessels that may be moved on Shabbat off the donkey? Why, then, did Rabban Gamliel not unload the honey? The Gemara answers: This is a case where the honey had spoiled. The Gemara asks: For what use is spoiled honey suited? Why did Rabban Gamliel bring it? The Gemara answers: It can be used to rub on the wounds of camels.

9 ט

וְיַתִּיר חֲבָלִים וְיִפְּלוּ שַׂקִּין! מִיצְטְרוּ זִיקֵי. וְיָבִיא כָּרִים וּכְסָתוֹת וְיַנִּיחַ תַּחְתֵּיהֶן! מִטַּנְּפִי, וְקָמְבַטֵּל כְּלִי מֵהֵיכָנוֹ. וְהָאִיכָּא צַעַר בַּעֲלֵי חַיִּים! קָסָבַר: צַעַר בַּעֲלֵי חַיִּים דְּרַבָּנַן.

The Gemara asks: And let Rabban Gamliel untie the ropes and the bags will fall on their own. The Gemara answers: It was due to the concern that the jugs containing the honey would crack. The Gemara asks: And let him bring cushions and blankets and place them beneath the jugs. The Gemara answers: He was concerned lest they become soiled and he would thereby negate the vessel’s preparedness, i.e., the cushions and blankets would be rendered unusable. The Gemara asks: Isn’t there the matter of the suffering of a living creature? He should suffer monetary loss rather than cause the animal to suffer. The Gemara answers: Rabban Gamliel holds that causing a living creature to suffer is prohibited not by Torah law but rather by rabbinic law. Therefore, he need not suffer monetary loss due to the rabbinic prohibition (Ramban).

10 י

אַבָּיֵי אַשְׁכְּחֵיהּ לֵיהּ לְרַבָּה דְּקָא מְשַׁפְשֵׁף לֵיהּ לִבְרֵיהּ אַגַּבָּא דְחַמְרָא. אֲמַר לֵיהּ: קָא מִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ מָר בְּבַעֲלֵי חַיִּים! אֲמַר לֵיהּ: צְדָדִין הֵן, וּצְדָדִין לָא גְּזַרוּ בְּהוּ רַבָּנַן. מְנָא תֵּימְרָא — דִּתְנַן: מַתִּיר חֲבָלִים וְהַשַּׂקִּין נוֹפְלִין. מַאי לָאו — בְּחֶבֶר גְּווֹלְקֵי, דְּהָווּ לְהוּ צְדָדִין וּצְדָדִין, לָא גְזַרוּ בְּהוּ רַבָּנַן.

The Gemara relates: Abaye found Rabba sliding his son on the back of a donkey on Shabbat to entertain him. He said to him: The Master is making use of living creatures on Shabbat, and the Sages prohibited doing so. Rabba said to him: I placed my son on the side of the donkey, and as they are sides, the Sages did not issue a decree prohibiting making use of them. From where do you say that this is so? As we learned in the mishna: One may untie the ropes and the bags fall on their own. What, is it not referring to a case where one attached the bags by means of guvalaki, where the bags are strapped to the animal and the only way to loosen them involves leaning against the sides of animal in order to unstrap them? That is because it is a case of making use of the sides, and the Sages did not issue a decree prohibiting making use of an animal’s sides.

11 יא

לָא — בְּאֵבֶר גְּווֹלְקֵי, דְּלָא הֲווֹ צְדָדִין. אִי נָמֵי, בְּלַכְתָּא.

Abaye answered: No, this is a case where one attached the bags by means of agalavki, i.e., where the bags were not tightly strapped to the animal, but rather attached by means of a hook. In such a case, there is no need to make use of the sides of the animal in order to unhook the strap. Alternatively, the bags were tied to the sides of the animal with a rope, which could likewise be untied with ease and without leaning against the animal.

12 יב

אֵיתִיבֵיהּ: שְׁתַּיִם בִּידֵי אָדָם, וְאַחַת בְּאִילָן — כְּשֵׁרָה, וְאֵין עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב. מַאי לָאו, דְּחַק בֵּיהּ בְּאִילָן [וְסַכֵּיךְ בֵּיהּ] דְּהָווּ לְהוּ צְדָדִין, וּצְדָדִין אֲסוּרִין!

Abaye raised an objection to Rabba’s opinion based on that which was taught in a mishna: A sukka that had two of its walls on the ground, built by a person, and one wall on a tree is valid and can be used to fulfill the mitzva of sukka. However, one may not enter it on the festival day of Sukkot because it is prohibited to use trees rooted in the ground on Shabbat or a Festival. What, is this not referring to a case where one carved a hole in the tree and inserted a beam into the hole for support, in which case these are sides of the tree that are being used, and apparently, using the sides of the tree is prohibited?

13 יג

לָא, דְּכַפְיֵיהּ לְאִילָן וְאַנַּח סִיכּוּךְ עִילָּוֵיהּ, דְּקָמִשְׁתַּמֵּשׁ בְּאִילָן. אִי הָכִי, אֵימָא סֵיפָא: שָׁלֹשׁ בִּידֵי אָדָם וְאַחַת בְּאִילָן כְּשֵׁרָה, וְעוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב. וְאִי דְּכַפְיֵיהּ לְאִילָן — אַמַּאי עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב?

Rabba rejected this: No, it is referring to a case where one bent the tree over and placed the roofing atop it, as in that case, he is making use of the tree itself and not its sides. Abaye asked: If so, say the latter clause of the mishna: If there are three walls built by a person and one on a tree, it is a valid sukka and one may enter it on a Festival. And if one bent a tree and placed the roofing atop it, why may one enter it on a Festival?

14 יד

וְאֶלָּא מַאי, צְדָדִין אֲסוּרִין? סוֹף סוֹף אַמַּאי עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב? אֶלָּא: הָתָם בִּגְוָאזָא פַּרְסִכְנָא, דְּאִילָן גּוּפֵיהּ דּוֹפֶן בְּעָלְמָא הוּא דְּשַׁוְּויֵהּ. דַּיְקָא נָמֵי — דְּקָתָנֵי: זֶה הַכְּלָל, כׇּל שֶׁאִילּוּ יִנָּטֵל הָאִילָן וִיכוֹלָה לַעֲמוֹד — עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב. שְׁמַע מִינַּהּ.

Rabba rejected this question: Rather, what would you say? Making use of sides is prohibited. If so, the same problem still exists, why is the sukka fit for use in the latter case? Ultimately, why may one enter it on a Festival? Rather, there it is referring to a case where the branches [gavaza] are spread out and where one made the tree itself into a wall, not where he leaned a wall against it. The language of the mishna is also precise. The wall may not be used if it is an integral part of the sukka, meaning that it is one of the three required walls. However, if it serves as a fourth wall, one may use the sukka on a Festival as it is taught that this is the principle: In any case where if the tree was taken the sukka would still be able to stand, one may enter it on a Festival. Then it is clear that the walls are not leaning against the tree; rather, the tree itself serves as a wall. The Gemara says in summary: Learn from here that this is so.

15 טו

לֵימָא כְתַנָּאֵי, אֵין עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב. רַבִּי שִׁמְעוֹן בֶּן אֶלְעָזָר אוֹמֵר מִשּׁוּם רַבִּי מֵאִיר: עוֹלִין לָהּ בְּיוֹם טוֹב. מַאי לָאו, בְּהָא קָמִיפַּלְגִי: דְּמָר סָבַר צְדָדִין אֲסוּרִין, וּמָר סָבַר מוּתָּרִין?

The Gemara suggests: Let us say that these amora’im disagree in a dispute parallel to a dispute between tanna’im with regard to making use of the sides of a tree, as it was taught in the Tosefta: One may not enter a sukka whose walls are leaning against a tree on a Festival. Rabbi Shimon ben Elazar says in the name of Rabbi Meir: One may enter it on a Festival. What, is it not that they are disagreeing about this issue, as this Master, meaning the Rabbis, holds that making use of the sides is prohibited, and this Master, Rabbi Meir, holds that they are permitted?

16 טז

אָמַר אַבָּיֵי: לָא, דְּכוּלֵּי עָלְמָא צְדָדִין אֲסוּרִין, וְהָכָא בְּצִדֵּי צְדָדִין קָמִיפַּלְגִי: מָר סָבַר צִדֵּי צְדָדִין אֲסוּרִין, וּמָר סָבַר צִדֵּי צְדָדִין מוּתָּרִין.

Abaye said: No. Everyone agrees that the sides are prohibited, and it is with regard to the sides of the sides, i.e., not a wall leaning against the tree itself, but a wall that is supported by a beam that is placed in the hole carved in the tree, that they disagree. This Master, meaning the Rabbis, holds that the sides of the sides are prohibited, and this Master, Rabbi Meir, holds that the sides of the sides are permitted.

17 יז

רָבָא אָמַר: מַאן דְּאָסַר בִּצְדָדִין — אָסַר נָמֵי בְּצִדֵּי צְדָדִין, מַאן דְּשָׁרֵי בְּצִדֵּי צְדָדִין — שָׁרֵי נָמֵי בִּצְדָדִין. אֵיתִיבֵיהּ רַב מְשַׁרְשְׁיָא לְרָבָא: נָעַץ

Rava said: The one who prohibited making use of the sides also prohibited making use of the sides of the sides, and the one who permitted making use of the sides also permitted making use of the sides of the sides. Rav Mesharshiyya raised an objection to the opinion of Rava: If one drove